We often publish materials, often critical, in which we consider the health and benefits of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. But we do it on our own, on the Russian side.
Today I propose to discuss the material "from that", from the Ukrainian side. Kirill Danilchenko (Ronin), a patriot of that Ukraine (without a gram of malice, in a country where a different outlook, different from ours, won, there may be his patriots), from time to time publishes news from the army and the military-industrial complex of his country.
Naturally, in the light in which a patriot is obliged to do it.
However, fully understanding Kirill, I will note that in his last article ("New Weapons for Ukraine") there are several points that I would like to comment on.
Without any jumps and grimaces, just an opinion from the "other side".
Actually, Kirill writes very soberly. Sometimes. Sometimes he does, but, nevertheless, his opinion is very valuable, because the truth in such issues as the military-industrial complex of Ukraine always dangles somewhere in the middle of opinions.
What is the whole article about? A description of the positive and negative aspects of military life in Ukraine. As well as the quantitative and qualitative prospects of the Armed Forces.
Translate? Easy. The question is considered, how good is the army of Ukraine "if something happens." It is clear that "the case of something" is the Russian army, which will either plow and roll the Armed Forces of Ukraine into black soil in three days, or not.
Go.
Perfectly. A very good approach, the same thing happens with us. And people die during exercises, and equipment is lost. Here, the point is not how much, but how quickly the equipment was found and conclusions were drawn on people.
Mortars
An analysis of mortar issues began. Yes, mortar today in Ukraine is a weapon on a par with self-propelled guns and cannon artillery.
Well, just like in the joke: "You can't ruin a castle!" - "It depends on what kind of castle …"
If you believe the Ukrainian Anatoly Tapolsky, who seemed to be firing from these "Molotov", everything is not so luxurious. More precisely, on the couch, this is it, this "Hammer". But in the trench … And even assembled by "skillful hands" … Yes, at non-core enterprises such as the Starokramatorsk Machine Repair Plant …
Well, I'll just leave it here:
Do you know where I saw such a sight? Yes, in the museum in Padikovo. On a Soviet mortar produced in 1945.
For those interested in the sequel, welcome to Tapolsky: (here). Make sure, along the way, that I'm not lying in the least.
The "Hammer" is really an artisanal forgery of the "Sanya", dangerous for settlements. And the press service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is blatantly lying, hiding the true number of cases. As always, however. As well as colleagues from other countries. Lies performed by the PS of any Ministry of Defense of any country is normal.
We will not talk about crooked hands and excessive alcohol consumption by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the front line. The author did not raise this issue, and I will not. I don't see the point, the Internet and YouTube are filled with relevant photos and videos. With the motto "we drank, we drink and we will drink, otherwise we will not live" in the Ukrainian army they are fighting, but so far the green serpent is winning.
Anti-tank weapon
Well, not bad, I guess. What about the BC for the "launching units"?
New and old ATGMs … Well, they've done everything. Plus, the US planted Javelins. There are charges. Poland was overtaken, surpassed. Peremoga?
You know, maybe yes. It depends on what to overcome.
As I understand it, this is an old song. That Ukraine is a European shield against Russian aggression. And that ukrosoldaty will be the first to stand in the way of the armada and the hordes of the Russian army. And, accordingly, they will be the first to fall.
Europe, as I understand it, does not mind at all. It is clear that the devil only knows whether these hordes will go or not, and it will not be completely deprived of an extra shield on their way.
It makes sense, right? As in the good old days, the Department of Internal Affairs was, remember? With the same goal in general - to enable the Soviet army to turn around and save manpower and equipment.
Now Europe is happy to use Ukraine in this form, if anything.
The most remarkable thing is that nobody asked Ukraine about it. They themselves volunteered to die under the tracks of Russian tanks, taking with them as much as they could.
Question to Kirill: how much can they?
A little. And that's why. Pan Danilchenko is very good at considering the numbers and opportunities. Very logical and sensible. But he forgets about one such "little thing." If Russia does come to a hypothetical war, it is unlikely that this war will go on according to Ukrainian laws. This is not Donbass …
Ask, what have I come up with for the Ukrainian laws of war? Yes, I didn’t come up with them. Time invented them. The laws of wickedness, if that's the case.
200 ATGMs of Ukrainians will not be able to do anything to Russian tanks. They will simply die, and most likely very ugly and useless. The Russian army has too many crowbars today, against which the Armed Forces of Ukraine have no and never will.
I feel sorry in advance not only for the ATGM calculations, but further in the text of everyone who will have to die aimlessly under bombs and rockets of the Russian Aerospace Forces, under the attacks of Tornadoes, Hurricanes and other MLRS, under artillery shells and tactical missiles.
No offense - zero chances.
Indeed, if Ukraine does not have an Air Force, do we also have planes and helicopters for fun? Kirill, are you serious? Quite the opposite, to plow everything that is possible, then plow with artillery, and then, to be sure, Buratino and Solntsepeki.
And, by the way, in conditions of complete impotence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, since they hardly have any idea how many wonderful surprises these unhurried guys from the electronic warfare are preparing.
Further, Kirill discusses that a fairly large number of anti-tank weapons are placed on mobile chassis. About the fact that KB "Luch" makes both "Stugna", and "Corsairs", and "Barriers", and "Barriers-V" for helicopters, and issues an export order to Algeria and Azerbaijan, and completes the "desert" modification of the Ukrainian ATGM "Skif" that the design bureau is working almost on the brink of its capabilities.
Excuse me, but what's the point? What's the use of your 600-odd platforms, if they are nothing more than targets in a shooting range for videoconferencing and (worst of all) army aviation, sharpened just for such entertainment?
Well, no, this is "coffin, coffin, cemetery." Unless Vanuatu attacks Ukraine. Or someone from the Baltic states.
Helicopters
Okay, it will. The Mi-24 is still a good car. In 2016, Ukraine seems to have had more than a hundred cars. On the paper. In fact, according to Cyril (I believe), today there are only 60 working machines in the Ukrainian Air Force. That's all, Mi-24, Mi-8 and Mi-2.
With which, in fact, congratulations.
Of course, fighting the militia in Donbas is a figure. To die under the first (the second is not needed) blow of the RF Aerospace Forces is also enough. For a serious conflict … 60 cars … Well, yes, for a couple of days, I guess.
We can easily stretch it. Not when, but if. If there is money, the French will sell. And the question is - in what form. And then, maybe, the Mi-24s of the Soviet heritage will turn out to be more abruptly. In addition, it will take a lot of time to master the new technique. Considering that it is new, not in time, but in essence …
And Poland, oddly enough, is not going to fight with Russia in one helmet. For this there is NATO, in which the Poles are members, so they do not need to tear up the GDP and so buy. NATO has everything. They will bring it if necessary and if they have time.
Artillery
Interesting counting system. And a comparison with Germany and Britain. It seems that these two countries live according to the motive "If tomorrow is war …". No, this is how Ukraine lives. And Danilchenko measures everything with just such a measure, but in vain.
Britain, if Cyril has forgotten, then I will remind, is not in Europe. This is, excuse me, an island empire, which is separated by a rather wide strait from the mainland. And who should, according to Danilchenko, be shot from the ACS by the British, I do not understand. And for expeditionary trips to Afghanistan or Iraq, this is more than enough.
And the British also have a fleet … With guns, missiles and torpedoes. And the Air Force. That is, what is not in Ukraine, and the absence of which they are trying to compensate for the ACS.
It's the same with Germany. They are not going to fight, but even if the Russian hordes rush across the border, they will have to go through Poland and … Ukraine!
I don’t know how real the figure of 700 SPGs in the Ukrainian Armed Forces is, in my opinion - a fantasy. Or fiction. For why, then, buy Soviet junk all over Europe and get barrel artillery out of the storerooms?
"Nones" is generally ridiculous. Well, let's write a few more "Cornflowers" into the barrel artillery too. And in general, then beauty will be on paper.
Tanks
Honestly. Well done. Indeed, these T-84s and Oplots, and along with them the Bogdany self-propelled guns, go into the furnace, since Ukraine is not able to release them. Give cheap and cheerful: T-64! Upgraded as much as the strength is enough (that is, a little).
And if you have enough strength (money), then even such junk as the T-64 can make a candy. Well, like in Russia with the T-72. Stretched to the T-72B3? Fine? What prevents the same with the T-64 to crank? Only money and hands.
It is worth noting, of course, that Russia still has the T-90MS, but let's not talk about sad things. As well as about 3,000 potential T-80Us in storage and 450 in service. Yes, Ukraine also seems to have T-80s, but in more modest quantities (146 and 22, respectively), and even then, if not sold.
Uh … Shivering. 800 cars are serious. It is no less serious that there are no spare parts for them, there is no way to organize the production of these spare parts, there are no hands to make repairs, there are no heads to establish proper maintenance of the T-72 uncharacteristic for Ukraine. There’s nothing.
Where these tanks will shackle the Russian army and on what isthmus there (this, apparently, if they trample the Crimea), I do not know. I only know that, most likely, they will be burned on the first day of the war (Staver and I wrote that the tank was, is and will be a test target for everyone who can credit it) by the Russian Mi-24, Ka-52, Mi-28N, Su-25 and Su-34.
It would be better if Kirill wrote his views than the Ukrainian Armed Forces are going to cover their tanks and so on. Because I understand that they will hold back the Russian troops for as long as it takes to destroy them from the air. That is, a little.
I read it and thought about it. S-125 and Cuba - is it serious? Interestingly, there is no S-75 left in the stash? Then, probably, the air will be safe in Ukraine. There is something to be afraid of.
But this is clever. You can even applaud this way of posing the question. Good presentation of the material. Clever. Not just "Not yet dead, not yet extinct", but quite a normal story that there are a lot of problems, but they will be solved sooner or later.
That is, the reader is given what he wants. Half-truth or almost not a lie. Indeed, one cannot but agree that the Armed Forces of Ukraine-2018 and the Armed Forces of Ukraine-2014 are fundamentally different things. And the APU-2018 is already an army.
Yes, an army suitable for war of the model of the beginning of the last century or with countries of the third or fourth world, but an army. And this cannot be denied.
But for a war with the Russian army, it is more than doubtful.
But if you so want to believe in it - why not? Can? Can. This is not harmful until it comes to a real collision.
